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Post by Will on Dec 19, 2008 15:49:17 GMT -5
I agree. I have a life and human emotions and thoughts. Nobody wants to think of themselves as machines or animals
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Post by Zeph/Eric Lyndon on Dec 19, 2008 16:06:37 GMT -5
thinking and being is not the same. the fact that we are living biological machines is something we can't run from, nor that we are animals just that we have evolved and climbed the food chain
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Post by Tom on Dec 19, 2008 17:27:37 GMT -5
i think you are not udnerstanding what we mean udner buiological machines, we are not meaning you are robots or can't think for yourself or have to abide by certain instincts, what we mean is that our bodies work just like a machine would, just it is not mad made, but biological, our brain works very much like a super computer, something more powerful than ever created and in theory in a couple of hundred years there will be computers that could store all your memories, just because they would be as complex as our brains, true human's are only a little bit more advanced than animals, we are way more advanced than them, but we have not always been here and since i don't believe we were created by a mystical being called god , i believe we evolved, since there is actually no way to prove that, without going back in time and then accelerating time and watching how we evolve, it will always be the theory of evolution, but it is most likely what happened
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Post by Will on Dec 20, 2008 2:38:06 GMT -5
well I'm the opposite ^^ As much as I like monkeys, I don't believe in evolution at all
But you know, that's one reason why I don't like science. You just can't know. Almost everything that has to do with the theories of existence creates a badly drawn line between religious and scientific explanations
Did God create the universe or was there a sudden Big Bang that created planets? There are so many controversies and yet those controversies can never and will never be proven false or true until we die and discover the truth, but really, what would matter by then?
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Post by Tom on Dec 20, 2008 6:51:51 GMT -5
i guess it ends up to the point of what people are willing to believe, i believe it is more likely that the universe occured with a big bang and we evolved, you believe that god created everything, you prolly go to church, i have only been in a church maybe 10 times in my life, most of them unwilling to go.
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Post by Zeph/Eric Lyndon on Dec 20, 2008 9:45:17 GMT -5
actually the evolution theory has been proved. there are so many similarities in DNA and stuff with some animals that can't be explained in another way than evolution. we have found loads of fossils and they have been tested and analysed, and the results are clear; that evolution is a fact and can't be denied.
and for the big bang theory, it's true that we can't prove that it has happened. but we can study it's effects, background radiation and other stuff. and that only points toward the big bang theory.
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Post by Tom on Dec 20, 2008 12:06:44 GMT -5
yeah evolution has proved, but there is no 100 % evidence of that we humans are the result of evolution, which is impossible to prove because like i said the only way to do that is go back in time and acclerate time to see it happen with your own eye until that it can still be claimed that all the similarities might all be cause of accident
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Post by Prince Phobos on Dec 20, 2008 13:03:52 GMT -5
There is a flaw in your comparison. I woke up & said good morning to my super computer but it said nothing. I asked if it was hungry--no response. I apologized if I treated it poorly & asked if it could stop the silent treatment--still no response. Humans are more than "an apparatus consisting of interrelating parts functions, used in the performance of some kind of work" (dictionary definition of machine). We are more than that--we live, we feel, we think, we have our own free will. Do you think a computer really gives a crap what we say or do to it? No! Why? Because it is just a machine!
On the other hand, I agree about the animals. I say good morning to my kitty & he immediately runs up to me & cuddles in my lap. I ask him if he wants to go outsides & he goes "meow wrau" then runs to the door & taps at the knob with his front paws. Animals listen to what we say, & can learn the meanings of words that aren't too complicated. They even attempt to add to the conversation sometimes. Although we humans have some kind of mental block preventing us from hearing the words properly, there is no doubt that the animals are trying to talk to us.
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Post by Will on Dec 20, 2008 18:14:47 GMT -5
I agree with Tom there. There are a lot of similarities that would make it seem possible, but it can never be proven. But Tom, I don't go to church but does that mean that I'm not a Christian and don't believe in God?
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Post by Tridart/Sandpit on Dec 20, 2008 18:36:18 GMT -5
I haven't gone to church in a long time but I believe in God.
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Post by Tom on Dec 20, 2008 21:22:41 GMT -5
no it doesn't will, that was a bit stereotyping sry and shifty, atm our machines are not just not advanced enough to care or feel anything. it is possible to give a machine feelings, if we first figure out how they work, cause we still don't know why we feel.
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Post by Will on Dec 21, 2008 1:38:17 GMT -5
we feel because we have hearts ^^ we have thoughts in which we know what is right and wrong, but we still think for ourselves and make our own choices. We love, we fight, we can even act downright goofy. We can create masterpieces of art, action-packed movies, and weave beautiful words together in literature. We are what we are. We are here because we are here and we have a purpose in this world besides just to survive like animals or machines. It's sad that there has to be scientific evidence for every single spec of a question about life for people to believe it. Instead of trying to prove what's true or false, why can't everyone just stop looking into the past and look forward to what is to come in the future and actually live the life that we have now?
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Post by Prince Phobos on Dec 21, 2008 1:44:59 GMT -5
Trust Will, the Keeper of my Heart is rarely wrong. ;D
Tom, we are the way we are because of our spirits. A machine will never have feelings or a personality--no matter how many programs we install. The only way to make a machine live is to somehow put a spirit into it. But then you'd need the technology to catch a ghost, technology that does not exist at the moment.
A cyborg is as close as we can get to a machine with feelings at this moment & that's only because it gets its feelings from the half that's human.
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Post by Will on Dec 21, 2008 1:54:45 GMT -5
knock it off But there's no way for machines to ever have true feelings as, like you said, we'd have to discover our own and there's no way to uncover the enormous complexities of human emotions.
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Post by Tridart/Sandpit on Dec 21, 2008 2:50:55 GMT -5
we feel because we have hearts ^^ we have thoughts in which we know what is right and wrong, but we still think for ourselves and make our own choices. We love, we fight, we can even act downright goofy. We can create masterpieces of art, action-packed movies, and weave beautiful words together in literature. We are what we are. We are here because we are here and we have a purpose in this world besides just to survive like animals or machines. It's sad that there has to be scientific evidence for every single spec of a question about life for people to believe it. Instead of trying to prove what's true or false, why can't everyone just stop looking into the past and look forward to what is to come in the future and actually live the life that we have now? Karma cookie for you.
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